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3 Ways to Make the Dreaded Talking Stage a Bit Bearable

They’re the last person you text before you go to sleep and the first you hope to hear from in the morning. You’re giddy whenever you see a text message from them and nervous when you’re hanging out IRL. You’re worried about coming on too strong, ruining the delicate connection you’re building, and oversharing. Infatuation can be quite a drug and in the talking stage of dating, it’s what you’re constantly hopped up on. 

The talking stage of dating refers to those early days of intense infatuation when you’re getting to know someone before possibly entering a committed relationship. The label is often used colloquially and in pop culture to describe those undefined moments in a budding relationship.

While the talking stage can be exhilarating for a time, it often can be filled with dread. You’re still getting to know each other and you’re desperately trying not to give (or get) the ick. Not to mention, the threat of being ghosted is thick. Think of the talking stage like the trial period of dating—there’s no guarantee things will progress forward and that shaky ground can be hard for many folks.

What Even Is the Talking Stage?

You know the talking stage if you’re in it. It is the are we, aren’t we era of dating. I’m a therapist and I hear from folks navigating the talking stage often. Typically, they’re in that stage for a few months—around three to four, specifically. Any sooner than that and folks run the risk of jumping into a new relationship when they’re not quite ready.

Alternatively, staying in this phase of dating for a long might stall your future goals related to romantic partnerships like marriage or children. Or, even worse, you’ll realize you’ve been in a years-long situationship later on down the road. 

Why The Talking Stage Matters

Here’s the thing: the talking stage may be uncomfortable but it’s really important. It allows time for you and the person you’re dating to get to know each other. Anticipation and excitement around the relationship can build as you two cultivate your connection through talking. Your dealbreakers, nonnegotiables, and commonalities become conversation fodder. It is also important to pace yourself when getting to know someone. Rushing into relationships can leave you vulnerable and attached to someone who might not be the right fit. 

The Bottom Line

That said, it’s challenging to get past the talking phase, especially if you’re unsure where the relationship is going. Both parties must agree on a serious relationship to progress to something more defined. Some people prefer to launch into a commitment relationship complete with titles after the talking phase whereas others prefer a slower progression with the next step being exclusively dating but not defined commitment. Do these talks give you a rush of anxiety? We get it. 

How Do You Know If You’re In the Talking Phase?

You’re in the talking stage if you’re casually dating—going on dates, meeting each other’s friends, maybe even having sex—but aren’t in a defined relationship. This stage is typically what preludes the what are we talk. Communication is usually heavily dependent upon text, though sometimes people will FaceTime or talk on the phone. Even if you’re hanging out in person, deep vulnerable talks may not be happening IRL yet because it feels too vulnerable. 

When you’re in the talking stage, boundaries aren’t very clear. You might feel it is important to continue going on dates with other folks to keep your options open. Or, you may feel like you don’t want to give anyone else your attention, and that alone can spike some fear. Regardless of where you land, you might feel some dating anxiety about what is to come. 

So You’re Talking…Now What?

Look, the talking stage can bring about *so* much anxiety because everything is super unclear and undefined. But there are ways to soothe those understandable nerves—here’s how.

Know If The Talking Stage Is Going Well

Not having a relationship title can definitely be nerve-wracking but you can feel a teensy bit better knowing the talking stage is going well. A good talking stage means an official relationship may be on the way. Some signs of a good talking stage include:

  • Consistent and fun communication with eventual plans being made
  • Your texts are answered promptly (unless there’s a communicated reason for otherwise, like the person you’re texting being at work)
  • You two have plenty of things in common and conversation seems to flow with ease
  • The chemistry is present over text and when you’re together in person
  • Both parties are on the same page about the future of the relationship

When The Talking Stage Isn’t Going Well

Ways you can tell the talking stage isn’t going too well? You might be waiting for responses to your texts for hours or even days. Plans to meet up in person seldom end up happening. It feels like you’re the one to carry the conversation along. Or, you might feel bored by the person you’re talking to. And, any chemistry that was firing off over text falls flat when hanging out IRL. 

Naturally, navigating the talking stage and knowing if it’s going good or bad is hard because things are so early! But licensed marriage and family therapist Janell Cox recommends focusing more on behaviors than words. For example, she says to remain attuned to the other person’s actions—whether they instigate plans, want to see you beyond having sex, and if they generally make themselves available.

“If you feel nervous or anxious, this is information,” she explains, adding that it’s important to trust your gut while in the talking stage. 

Surviving (and Thriving) in The Talking Stage and Beyond

There are two common obstacles in this period: ghosting or experiencing a slow fade in communication. We dig into both problems—plus offer coping strategies—down below.

Getting Ghosted and How to Cope

If you get ghosted during the talking stage, you’re not alone. It’s an all too common experience.

Ghosting is a key sign of a lack of emotional maturity and gives insight into what could have led to much deeper issues within the relationship.

Some prefer to reach out via text message to get clarification on why the ghosting occurred. If you choose to do so, be super clear on what information you hope to receive. Is there ever an excuse for ghosting? Will knowing why this person behaved in an emotionally unavailable manner actually shift your feelings about the situation?

When a Relationship Slowly Fades

You also might experience a “slow fade” aka when the responses and hangouts become less and less frequent. This is an opportunity to be direct and ask the other person their feelings. Sometimes communication can slow down due to circumstances, but other times it can be the person isn’t comfortable saying they’re ready to move on directly. A conversation can nip this conundrum in the bud. 

How Dating Apps Exacerbate the Talking Stage

Then, there’s the dating apps of it all. The research proves what most of us know to be true: dating apps aren’t going anywhere, so we might as well learn to live with them.

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However, the apps can make the talking stage even more nebulous. Some can be allured by the illusion of endless options dating apps offer. Additionally, dating apps can become another topic of discussion when both parties are ready to make things official but need to chat about deactivating their apps.

Again, harkening back to Janell’s insight—if you’re feeling anxious about this conversation, this is a sign of valuable information for you to hold about your attachment style, how secure you feel in the relationship, and if this person is the right fit for you. 

Taking It to The Next Level

Things are feeling good and you’re ready to get out of the talking stage? We don’t blame you. There’s an art to navigating this delicate decision. “If there has been emotional intimacy established, this won’t be as hard,” explains Janell. But, if it feels impossible, she warns, it may not be the right time or the right person. 

If you need a quick script to start off the conversation, Janell’s got you covered. Here are some phrases to get you started:

  • “Hey, I would love to check in about where we are.”
  • “I’ve been loving getting to know you and would love to keep going. In order to feel safer, I need…”
  • “I need to hear what you want from this, too.”
  • “I would love to be boyfriend/girlfriend/in a relationship/exclusive with each other.”

Above all, remember what Janell says: dating is a learning process. It’s a bump ride full of twists and turns but one you should enjoy nonetheless.

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The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale: Applications and Limitations

 Statement Strongly Agree Agree Disagree Strongly Disagree
 1. I feel that I’m a person of worth.
 2. I feel that I have a number of good qualities.
 3. At times, I think I am no good at all.
 4. I am able to do things as well as most other people.
 5. I feel I do not have much to be proud of.
 6. I take a positive attitude toward myself.
 7. On the whole. I am satisfied with myself.
 8. I wish I could have more respect for myself.
 9. I certainly feel useless at times.
 10. All in all, I am inclined to think that I am a failure.

Calculating Your Score

Here’s how you can score your questionnaire:

For the positively worded statements (1, 2, 4, 6, and 7), the points are scored one way: 

  • Strongly Agree = 3 points
  • Agree = 2 points
  • Disagree = 1 points
  • Strongly Disagree = 0 points

For the negatively worded statements (3, 5, 8, 9, and 10), the points are scored in reverse: 

  • Strongly Agree = 0 points
  • Agree = 1 points
  • Disagree = 2 points
  • Strongly Disagree = 3 points

Total up your points at the end of the questionnaire. You will get a total score between 0 to 30. The higher your score, the higher your self-esteem likely is.

This is one way of scoring the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale. However, it’s also possible to score the scale in other ways. For example, some researchers assign each statement values of 1 to 4 points, instead of 0 to 3 points, so the scores range from 10 to 40 as a result. Others give participants five or seven options in the responses (instead of four), which changes the scoring combinations.

Interpreting the Results

Dr. Rosenberg did not establish specific cut-off points to define high or low self-esteem on the scale.

However, some researchers have chosen to set thresholds to categorize respondents based on their scores, making it easier to classify levels of self-esteem. For example, one study has designated:

  • 0 to 15 points: Low self-esteem
  • 16 to 25 points: Normal self-esteem
  • 26 to 30 points: High self-esteem

Reliability and Validity of the Scale

We asked the experts whether the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale is considered reliable and valid.

Research has demonstrated that the scale has high internal consistency and test-retest reliability, says Cruz. “It has been used and validated in various cultural contexts, showing that it can effectively measure self-esteem across different populations.”

In fact, Cruz notes that it is often used in psychological research because it can predict various psychological outcomes, such as mental health, well-being, and academic achievement.

The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale is often used in psychological research because it can predict various psychological outcomes, such as mental health, well-being, and academic achievement.


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Reliability

The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale demonstrates high internal consistency, which means that all the questions measure the same thing. For example, if someone agreed with statements such as “I like to travel” and “I’ve enjoyed traveling in the past,” but disagreed with the statement “I hate travel,” this would indicate that the test has good internal consistency.

According to the American Psychological Association (APA), the scale demonstrates a Guttman scale coefficient of reproducibility of .92, indicating excellent internal consistency.

The scale also has good test-retest reliability, meaning that if you take it more than once the results will stay consistent as long as the circumstances have stayed consistent, says Dr. Daramus. “So if you take it twice, on two different days, and your self-esteem has not changed, the test results will not change significantly based on other factors, like mood, emotion, or other factors that can fluctuate.”

Validity

The scale has construct validity, which means that it measures what it’s supposed to measure and nothing else, Dr. Daramus explains. “It also has concurrent validity, which means that if you compare it to another valid test of self-esteem, your score will be consistent with the score for the other self-esteem test.”

The APA notes that the scale correlates significantly with other measures of self-esteem, including the Coopersmith Self-Esteem Inventory as well as with other measures of depression and anxiety.

Applications of the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale

The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale is one of the most widely used measures of self-esteem.

Dr. Rosenberg initially developed the scale with a sample of 5,024 high school students from 10 randomly chosen schools in the New York State area. Although it was originally developed for students, it has proved useful with a variety of groups of people, says Dr. Daramus.

The scale is public domain, which means it can be modified for any purpose, so several versions of it exist. In fact, it has been translated into over 28 languages, in 53 countries.

Furthermore, “it is short and straightforward, making it easy to administer and interpret,” says Cruz.

These are some of the applications of the scale:

  • Mental health assessment: Mental health professionals use the scale to assess self-esteem in patients as part of a broader psychological evaluation. It helps identify issues related to depression, anxiety, and other mental health conditions where self-esteem is a significant factor. It is also used to track changes in self-esteem over time, as a way to monitor treatment progress.
  • Psychological research: The scale is used to identify variations in self-esteem across groups of different ages, cultures, and demographics. It is also widely used in market research studies to understand consumer behavior and preferences.
  • Student self-esteem: School counselors and educators use the scale to assess the self-esteem of students. It helps identify students who may be at risk of academic or social difficulties due to low self-esteem. It can also be used to evaluate the impact of interventional programs on students’ self-esteem.
  • Workplace well-being: In organizational psychology, the scale is sometimes used to assess employee self-esteem, which can affect their productivity, job satisfaction, and interpersonal relationships at work.
  • Public health programs: The scale can be used in community health initiatives aimed at improving mental health and well-being, particularly in programs focused on empowerment and self-improvement.

Limitations and Criticisms

Like any other psychological instrument, the Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale also has its limitations and criticisms. These include:

  • Unidimensional measure: The scale is designed to measure global self-esteem, which is essentially an overall sense of our self-worth. It does not account for domain-specific self-esteem, which means we may feel more or less confident about ourselves in specific areas like academic ability, social skills, or physical appearance. This can limit the scale’s ability to capture a complete picture of our self-esteem.
  • Response biases: Since the scale relies on self-reported answers, it is vulnerable to response biases, says Dr. Daramus. “An example of response bias is ‘social acceptability bias,’ which is a tendency to give socially acceptable answers instead of the most accurate answers. While this is often done unconsciously and unintentionally, it can affect the accuracy of responses nonetheless.”
  • Cultural differences: The scale was developed in the United States, and while it has been widely used across different cultures, the interpretation of self-esteem can vary significantly from one culture to another. Some cultures may value humility or collectivism, which could affect how individuals respond to the scale’s questions.
  • Static nature: The scale provides a snapshot of self-esteem at a single point in time, says Cruz. “Self-esteem can fluctuate based on recent experiences or changes in circumstances, which the scale does not account for.”
  • Negatively worded statements: The scale includes both positively and negatively worded items to control for response biases. However, some respondents may find the negatively worded items confusing or difficult to understand, leading to inconsistent answers.
  • Limited response options: The scale uses a four-point Likert scale, which may not capture the full range of someone’s feelings. The forced-choice nature of the scale can limit respondents’ ability to express nuanced or mixed feelings about themselves.
  • Varying interpretations: While the scale provides a score, Dr. Rosenberg did not establish definitive cut-off points for high, moderate, or low self-esteem. This means that researchers and clinicians need to interpret scores based on context, which can lead to variability in how results are understood and used.
  • Lack of diagnostic capability: The scale is a screening tool rather than a diagnostic instrument. While it can indicate levels of self-esteem, it does not diagnose underlying mental health issues or provide detailed insights into the causes of low self-esteem.

Takeaways

The Rosenberg Self-Esteem Scale offers a simple yet powerful way to take a closer look at how we view ourselves. Whether we’re feeling on top of the world or struggling with self-doubt, this tool can help us gauge where we stand in terms of self-esteem.

However, it’s important to remember that the scale is neither a diagnostic tool nor a substitute for professional treatment. If you’re struggling with something you need help with, please reach out to a mental health professional as soon as possible.

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What Is “The Penny Method” in Dating?

It’s no secret that dating in the digital age isn’t exactly delightful. We live in a world where options are seemingly plentiful, the grass is always greener the next swipe over, and dating manners have all but fallen to the wayside.

Romantic hopefuls must remain vigilant to ensure the other has their best interests in mind, and that they don’t fall prey to tactics like breadcrumbing, cuffing, benching, and ”the penny method.” If you’re not up to speed on the latter, we’re covering everything you need to know ahead.  

What Is the Penny Method? 

Also known as “penny dating” or the “piggy bank method,” the penny method is an approach to dating where one partner slowly cuts back on time and affection with the other. The idea is that the person may invest a lot of their energy up front, but then begins depositing small amounts of their affection in an effort to sustain the relationship with bare minimum effort. 

This might look like reaching out less, not taking initiative with plans, or withholding physical intimacy or emotional connection. 

“These actions gradually reduce over time, but then can increase again if the person starts to lose interest because of lack of effort,” explains Sam Morris, a certified dating and relationship coach. “The theory evolves eventually to a point where they spend little to no effort but, because over time the manipulation has decreased [the other] person’s confidence and strength, they will take what they can get and not end the relationship.” 

The penny method is sort of a mashup of love bombing—where tons of attention is delivered up front and then drops off—and breadcrumbing, where the other person is led on with just enough to keep them stringing along. 

Signs of the “Penny Method” in Dating 

Be aware of these potential signs of the penny method in dating. 

  • Love bombing: If the other person comes off strongly up front, this is a sign that they may not be authentic. Be aware of grand gestures and phrases like “we’re meant to be together,” “I think this is love,” and “everything about you is perfect” early in the relationship.
  • Reducing effort: When a person comes off strong at first and then starts reducing their effort, this could be a sign of the penny method. This is particularly troublesome if there’s no communication and you’re left feeling confused as to why they’re not putting the same energy forward. 
  • Roller coaster behavior: Being on the receiving end of the penny method can feel like an emotional roller coaster. “Everything is going really well and then all of a sudden the person disappears and stops messaging,” Morris says. “It can be for quite a while—like a week. Then they come back with an excuse [like] ‘a family member was ill,’ but really they are just testing to see how much you will take.” 

Why Do People Use the Penny Method? 

Some people use the penny method because they enjoy the thrill of the dating chase but ultimately end up bored when the other person does show some interest. Others may use this technique to keep a hoard of potential mates at their fingertips—a convenient strategy to ensure they’ve always got someone ready to go on the back burner.

In some cases, though, people use the penny method as a form of self-protection caused by an unhealthy attachment style.

The person using this method might do it because they’re scared of getting hurt or rejected, so they test their partner to see how much they’ll do to keep the relationship going.


SETH EISENBERG, RELATIONSHIP EXPERT

“The person using this method might do it because they’re scared of getting hurt or rejected, so they test their partner to see how much they’ll do to keep the relationship going,” explains Seth Eisenberg, relationship expert and CEO of the PAIRS Foundation. “But by pulling back like this, they might actually cause the very thing they’re afraid of—their partner feeling ignored and deciding to leave.”

How the Penny Method Affects Relationships

The penny method is incredibly toxic. Nobody deserves to be on the receiving end of this behavior, and it can have grave repercussions not just for the relationship but for the other person’s sense of worth. 

“The ‘penny method’ can create significant confusion for the victim,” says Sandra Kushnir, LMFT, founder and CEO of Meridian Counseling. “When someone engages in this behavior—wooing their partner with affection and attention initially and then maintaining their interest with sporadic ‘pennies’ of positive behavior—it becomes challenging for the victim to get a clear and consistent understanding of who the perpetrator truly is.”

She says this back-and-forth inconsistency can cause the person to second-guess their perception and judgments, create an underlying sense of unease and insecurity, and feel confused about how they should move forward in the relationship.

When someone engages in this behavior it becomes challenging for the victim to get a clear and consistent understanding of who the perpetrator truly is.

Research confirms this, noting that it can increase feelings of stress, impact personal growth after the relationship ends, and worsen the pain of the ending relationship. It’s also a giant waste of time as it prevents the other person from pursuing a meaningful relationship that’s far more fulfilling. 

“This dynamic can be particularly insidious because it plays on the natural human tendency to seek resolution and clarity,” Kushnir explains. “The victim often feels compelled to stay in the relationship, hoping to see more of the positive behavior and to confirm that their partner is indeed the caring person they occasionally show themselves to be.” 

Ultimately, this leads to a dangerous cycle of rationalizing or excusing the other person’s harmful actions as the victim clings to the belief that the good outweighs the bad. 

Do This Instead: Date With Dignity and Transparency 

Using the penny method isn’t just bad for the person on the receiving end—it’s no good for the person playing games. “The person doing the pulling away might feel like they’re in control, but they’re also making it harder to build a real, trusting connection,” warns Eisenberg. 

At the end of the day, a healthy relationship is built on trust, respect, and open communication—not on testing each other or playing games. Instead of using the penny method, he says it’s better to talk openly and work together to keep the relationship strong. 

And if you’re not feeling the relationship? Well, it’s best to cut ties versus stringing the other person along. And don’t do this by ghosting the other. Nobody appreciates that spooky move, and everyone will feel better if you simply say, “Hey, you’re great, but I just don’t see a long-term relationship here.” 

If you find yourself in this penny method cycle either on the receiving or giving end, it’s time to do a bit of soul-searching:

  • Why do you engage in this behavior or allow it to happen?
  • What’s at the root of your fears?
  • What do you truly want out of a life partner?
  • Are there any steps can you take to become a better version of yourself?

These questions are life-long pursuits, but if you move with intention and dignity you’re heading in the right direction. 

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Can a Relationship With Two Type A Personalities Work?

Sparks can certainly fly when two type A personalities find themselves falling for each other. But are those sparks the perfect amount for a nice romantic fire, or will they end up setting the whole relationship ablaze? Type A people are often hardworking perfectionists and detail-oriented go-getters with high standards who won’t settle for anything but the best. What happens when two such people get together?

“These individuals often thrive in structured, goal-oriented environments and may exhibit a sense of urgency in both their personal and professional lives,” says Ozan Toy, MD, MPH,  chief medical officer at Telapsychiatry. “Type A personalities are relatively common, particularly in high-stress professions such as senior executives, doctors, lawyers, and professors.”

With a double dose of perfectionism, this love story could be epic—or epically intense. Let’s dive into whether this power couple can make it work.

Rachel Marmor, LMHC

They often share a deep drive for achievement, a love for challenge, and a passion for excellence. This can create a relationship filled with excitement, mutual respect, and shared goals.

— Rachel Marmor, LMHC

Why It Will Work

People with type A personalities are often highly successful, even if they may experience some burnout or unnecessary self-criticism along the way. They’re super driven, competitive, and often excel in whatever they put their mind to (because they’d stop short of nothing less than perfection). When two Type A personalities come together, it can make for a seriously impressive power couple dynamic.

“A relationship between two Type A personalities is like a dance between two powerful energies. Each partner brings strength, determination, and a clear sense of direction,” says Rachel Marmor, LMHC, chief wellness officer at the PAIRS Foundation. “They often share a deep drive for achievement, a love for challenge, and a passion for excellence. This can create a relationship filled with excitement, mutual respect, and shared goals.”

Another benefit of two type A personalities being together is that there’s a sense of shared ambition that can be extremely powerful. As long as both parties are on the same page about a specific goal—large or small—they can accomplish it quickly and effectively.

“Oftentimes, people can have different life goals which can lead to conflict in a relationship. However if both partners are highly motivated and driven then it is likely they will find joy in sharing a desire for achievement,” Toy says.

He adds, “The relationship can also be filled with excitement and activity, as both individuals are typically energetic, focused, and goal-oriented.” Research shows that this ability to achieve goals can have positive mental health effects.

Why It Might Not Work

Every relationship experiences natural ebbs and flows, but when two type A personalities come together things can get a bit fiery. Each has their own set of deep-seated passions and goals, and when these aren’t aligned, then tension and conflict can arise.

Power Struggles

Power struggles are a common issue between this pairing since both parties may feel the desire to lead the dance, set the pace, and steer the ship. “Their combined intensity can fuel a high-stress relationship, especially if both partners are impatient or too uptight,” Toy says. 

Competitiveness 

Type A personalities are naturally competitive, and that can bleed into the relationship. From minor situations (like playing a card game) to larger life goals, two type A people may end up competing with each other. This can become exhausting, but Toy says it can also breed resentment if one partner consistently outperforms the other.

Burnout 

When you pair a type A personality with someone who’s more laid-back, there’s going to be a natural pullback in intensity. However, combine two type A personalities and both may run at full speed ahead without another person there to say “Whoa, nellie.” (Studies have even found a correlation between poor heart health and type A personalities due to the stress they put on themselves.)

“To find no or poor balance is also common among A personality couples,” says Sofie Roos, a relationship therapist. “These relationships tend to lack sleep and have too little free time and too much working time which can lead to stress, burnout and mental health problems such as depression.”

Rachel Marmor, LMHC

It’s important to recognize that while both partners are strong, the strength lies not just in leading but also in following.

— Rachel Marmor, LMHC

How to Make It Work

Yes! Two type A personalities can absolutely thrive in a romantic relationship—it just takes some work—like any relationship. While the relationship dynamic between two type A personalities can be intense, it can also feel deeply fulfilling if both partners are aligned with life goals, adaptable, and willing to openly communicate.

“It’s important to recognize that while both partners are strong, the strength lies not just in leading but also in following,” Marmor says. “The ability to step back, to allow the other person to take the lead at times, is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of deep respect and trust.”

She notes that when two Type A individuals are able to comfortably alternate between leading and following, they ultimately create a beautiful, balanced rhythm in their relationship. 

The issue is that these things don’t necessarily come naturally to type A folks, so it’s something they need to be intentional about. Meditation practices, routinely checking in with one another, and incorporating relaxation techniques and shared leisure time can all help a double type A relationship thrive. 

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What the Prisoner’s Dilemma Teaches Us About Human Behavior

Have you ever been in a position where someone’s decision will impact you and vice versa? How do you make the decision? How much do you think of yourself over the other person? This is the Prisoner’s Dilemma in action.

A concept in psychology and game theory, the Prisoner’s Dilemma, in its most basic form, “explains two people’s choices in trading off their self-interest with their collective welfare. It explains the thinking behind each option and their consequences,” says Michael Taylor, the co-founder and CEO of SchellingPoint in West Chester, Pennsylvania.

The Prisoner’s Dilemma is relevant to diverse areas including psychology, economics, politics, biology, investing, or anywhere where decisions based on cooperation and selfish interest clash.

Understanding the Prisoner’s Dilemma

The idea of the Prisoner’s Dilemma was developed in 1950 by mathematicians Merrill Flood and Melvin Dresher for the Rand Corporation’s investigations in game theory. They were interested in modeling Cold War strategies.

“For example,” explains Taylor, “the US and Russia needed to decide to reduce or increase their volume of nuclear weapons without being able to talk directly.” A bit later, Albert W. Tucker came up with the title “prisoner’s dilemma” and the version with prison sentences as payoffs to make Flood and Dresher’s ideas more understandable to Stanford psychologists.

In this version, Prisoner A and Prisoner B are both charged with a crime and interrogated separately. Each is given a choice between betraying the other or staying quiet. Neither knows what the other will do, but the outcome depends on their combined choices. There are three possible outcomes:

Prisoner’s Dilemma Outcomes

  1. One prisoner betrays the other and confesses (defects) while the other stays quiet (cooperates). As a result, the defector is set free but the cooperator gets a heavy sentence of 10 years.
  2. Both stay quiet (cooperate), and each gets a lighter sentence of 1 year.
  3. Both betray the other and confess (defect), and each gets a moderate sentence of five years.

The best outcome for both prisoners, says Taylor, is to cooperate, but the rational choice, in the sense that each of them will try to minimize their own punishment, is for each of them to betray the other and defect. This demonstrates the conflict between selfish interest and cooperation, and why the prisoners may fail to achieve the best collective outcome.

“The insight gained from this dilemma helps in analyzing situations where trust and collaboration are relevant but difficult to achieve,” says Niloufar Esmaeilpour, a Registered Clinical Counsellor, Approved Supervisor, and Founder of Lotus Therapy & Counselling Centre in British Columbia, Canada.

Examples of the Prisoner’s Dilemma

Taylor provides the following scenario as an example of the Prisoner’s Dilemma: “Two parents living on a tight budget agree to control their spending…. They can choose to cooperate, hoping the other will do so, too, or ignore the agreement so they don’t suffer having little money to spend. This is the easy choice if they have little trust in the other person. Why reduce their spending if they don’t think their partner will abide by their agreement? If they continue spending and their partner does, too, they are justified in not acting on the agreement. If they continue spending and the other doesn’t, even better, they don’t have to reduce their spending, but their joint problem improves.”

This type of scenario can occur in all kinds of situations from leadership teams worrying about budgets to business partnerships to global issues such as the climate crisis.

For instance,  Esmaeilpour points to real-life examples such as “the arms race between countries where mutual disarmament will benefit both, but mistrust compels them to arm.”

“Another example,” he says, “is business competition, whereby firms underbid to share the market, which hurts both firms in the long term. Environmental problems such as overfishing mirror this dilemma where [short-term] individual gain leads to [long-term] collective harm.”

This is the trouble with many real-world examples of the Prisoner’s Dilemma. As Taylor says, “the self-interested gain is short-term and tangible, but the collective gain is long-term and intangible.”

He cites problems like deforestation, vaccination, and culture change to make his point. For example, while the people who cut down acres of forest will see a benefit now, in the long term, we all suffer because there is less oxygen in the air and shade on our planet, though that’s harder to see.

Extensions and Variations of the Prisoner’s Dilemma

We’ve talked mostly about a single-round game of the Prisoner’s Dilemma, but there can be games of multiple rounds too. A game where two players take more than one turn in succession is called an iterated Prisoner’s Dilemma.

In addition, there can be multiple players as well as multiple rounds. According to Esmaeilpour, these versions of the game “can model complex social interactions.” And Taylor gives real-life examples. “Family members, leadership teams, joint ventures, countries. These are known as… repeated games, and communication can occur, even if not directly, by sending each other signals through words and actions intended to be interpreted a certain way.”

Strategies and Outcomes in the Prisoner’s Dilemma

There are many strategies for playing the Prisoner’s Dilemma, including always defecting or always cooperating. However, one of the best strategies for a Prisoner’s Dilemma game with iterated rounds is called tit-for-tat. There are just two instructions for this strategy: in the first match, cooperate; in every match after that, do what the opponent did in the previous match.

The reason for tit-for-tat’s success appears to be that it’s nice, but it’s not so nice that the strategy is a pushover. If tit-for-tat is betrayed, it betrays back, but it’s ready to forgive if its opponent cooperates in the next round.

In practice, says Taylor, tit-for-tat can be used to organize groups “to cooperate for the collective good over personal gain. The group identifies a shared topic requiring coordinated action toward a goal that benefits them all. They ensure that each team member’s first action is cooperative, supporting that shared goal. Subsequently, in future decisions on the topic, the cooperators choose to cooperate, or [they] defect if one or more members defected previously. Over time, this teaches that defection will be… acknowledge[ed] and punish[ed] with defection, and that a return to cooperation will be rewarded.”

Criticisms and Limitations of the Prisoner’s Dilemma

There are several criticisms and limitations of the Prisoner’s Dilemma. For instance, Esmaeilpour says that the Prisoner’s Dilemma “simplifies the complexity of human behavior when most decisions in the real world are not reduced to simple, binary choices. Moreover, the dilemma does not consider long-term relationships where issues of trust and reputation play very important roles.”

However, in the real world, where trust and reputation are often automatically assessed, the Prisoner’s Dilemma could reveal their influence on strategic decisions.

Wrapping Up

The Prisoner’s Dilemma has been used to study human cooperation for decades. In the original dilemma, one prisoner is rewarded if only they act in their own self-interest, but the best solution for both of them is to cooperate. Your solution for the Prisoner’s Dilemma says a lot about how you see yourself and others.

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